Manti vs. Manziel

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Manti vs. Manziel

Photo: Jeff Zelevansky/Getty Image

(Guest post written by Jake Simons)

For several months leading up to the season, the Heisman trophy was Matt Barkley’s to lose … then he played Stanford…

A new stallion took over when Geno Smith put up video game-esque numbers … the clear-cut Heisman leader then lost 5 straight games.

Collin Klein, of Kansas State, outdueled Geno Smith in their matchup and quickly marched to the top of the Heisman race … then lost to a 4-win Baylor team.

With these quarterbacks, there has been a horde of other players to inch near the top this season, only to be tackled 1 yard shy of collegiate stardom.

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(Photo: Ray Carlin/Icon SMI) Johnny Manziel

And then, out of nowhere, this red-shirt freshman boy, beats Alabama with two weeks left in the season to solidify his spot at the top of most Heisman polls.  Fortunately for Johnny Manziel, his team suffered its two losses earlier in the season.  And Mr. Football himself was able to load his team on his back to finish the regular season with better statistics than Tim Tebow and Cam Newton could ever achieve.

That’s saying a lot.  Especially as a red-shirt freshman.

But there has been one player lurking near the top of the water throughout the entire season; a player who has humbly put his team, his coaches, his school, his fan base, his country on his back, to bring a storied program out of two decades of despair; a leader who plays on the other side of the ball.  That player, of course, is Manti Te’o.

So with the regular season of college football in the books, voters must decide between a quarterback with gaudy numbers or an inside linebacker with a resume just as impressive … between a country boy or a Hawaiian man … a freshman or a senior.

How do you even compare the two?  Is it even possible to associate an offensive player with a defensive player?  Is it fair to compare an upperclassman to a frosh?  Is it morally acceptable to compare the best player on a 2-loss team to the best player on the only undefeated bowl-eligible team in the country?

The answer is yes.  It is possible; it is fair; it is acceptable.  Why?  Because the Heisman trophy is about more than who can reach the end zone more times.  It’s about more than who can hold the ball the longest.  It’s about more than breaking records.  It’s about which player can demonstrate diligence, perseverance, hard work, integrity, and excellence on a weekly and daily basis.

http://www.heisman.com/trust/mission_statement.php

Not once a season.  Not twice.  But every single Saturday that player straps up.  Every single day that student wakes up.

It’s no lie that Manti Te’o has been about as consistent a player as possible on Notre Dame’s roster.  He is only the second player in Notre Dame history to record three straight 100-tackle seasons.

It’s also no secret that Johnny Football has put up ungodly numbers in his first season at the helm of the Aggies.

But again, how can you compare the two?  How can you compare a team that has played the 8th hardest schedule in the country to a team that has played the 29th hardest?

Let’s look at consistency.  Let’s look at how Manti and Johnny have stacked up against the best of the best.  Let’s take out the outliers of the easy competition like Boston College and Sam Houston St.  Because let’s be honest, anyone can put up a beautiful stat-line against weak competition (see Case Keenum’s 2011 campaign of 5631 passing yards, 48 touchdowns, and 5 interceptions against high school-caliber competition … and wasn’t even in the Heisman discussion).

After all, shouldn’t the award go to the player who performs the absolute best at the highest level?

The Aggies have played three teams (Florida, Alabama, and LSU) that still remain ranked in the latest BCS rankings.  The Fighting Irish have also played three teams (Stanford, Oklahoma, and Michigan) that are still ranked.  So, let’s take a look at how the two stacked up.

Johnny Manziel – QB
vs. Florida (loss)               173 PASS YDS – 0 TD – 0 INT         60 RUSH YDS – 1 TD
vs. LSU (loss)                      276 PASS YDS – 0 TD – 3 INT         27 RUSH YDS – 0 TD
@ Alabama (win)              253 PASS YDS – 2 TD – 0 INT         92 RUSH YDS – 0 TD

Manti Te’o – ILB
vs. Michigan (win)           8 TKLS – 0 Sacks – 2 INT
vs. Stanford (win)            11 TKLS – 0 Sacks – 0 INT
@ Oklahoma (win)          11 TKLS – 1 Sack – 1 INT

Nothing really pops out at you … except for the fact that Manziel is 1-2 against stiff defenses and Te’o is 3-0 against explosive offenses … and that Manti can handle two preseason Heisman hopefuls (Denard Robinson and Landry Jones) and one current hopeful (Stephan Taylor) with ease … and, what the numbers don’t show, is that Manti has led his defense to the top spot in the country, and subsequently, his team to the #1 ranking.

I guess Johnny Football isn’t so football when he plays exclusive competition.

In fact, let’s take this a step further and pretend that these two players’ teams played elite competition every Saturday.  Let’s just see what their projected season would be like against the best of the best.  Consistency against the elite, remember?

After 12 games against top-tier talent, Johnny Manziel would project to finish the season with …       2808 PASS YDS – 8 TD – 12 INT and 716 RUSH YDS – 4 TD … really, mediocre at best.

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(Photo: Mike DiNovo, US Presswire) Manti Te’o

After 12 games against similar top-tier talent, Manti Te’o would project to finish the season with …     120 TKLS – 4 Sacks – 12 INT … all that against explosive offenses … and as a linebacker.

This is based solely on statistics.  Nothing else.  No back stories.  No grandmother or girlfriend passing away within a six-hour span (Manti).  No arrests or misdemeanors (Johnny).  None of that.

Back stories aside (though, integrity is a key component to the Heisman equation), who competes at the highest level against the highest level?

In most years, the Heisman trophy has been given to the best player on the best team.  So, why is that suddenly any different this year?  Is it because Notre Dame doesn’t have an elite offensive player?  Why would Johnny Football suddenly ascend to the top of the polls as the leader of a 2-loss team, when Collin Klein’s team, whose resume is just as impressive, only has one?

Defense wins championships.  Everyone can agree with that.  So, why has there never been a true defensive player to win the Heisman?  On December 8th, 2012, history will be made.

Congratulations, Manti Te’o, on your integrity and excellence on and off the field.

Thank you to Jake Simons for this piece. Jake Simons currently resides in South Bend, Ind. and is in his second year of teaching 5th grade.  Aside from teaching Reading, Writing, Arithmetic, and Lifeskills, Jake imposes his love for the Fighting Irish on young, impressionable minds.  His wife often wonders about his devout passion for Notre Dame, to which he responds (in his best Lou Holtz impersonation), “no explanation will suffice.” You can reach Jake on Twitter at @G_Double_B

Cheers!

 

 

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  1. mthorson December 3, 2012 at 7:54 am - Reply

    That was pretty bad … and is that is no bias (especially from someone who was crowned “Biggest Fan of the Big East” representing NOTRE DAME) I’d hate to see bias.

    • ncblisa December 3, 2012 at 1:18 pm - Reply

      You do see I didn’t write this … “Guest post by Jake”

  2. Andrew December 3, 2012 at 8:06 am - Reply

    This wouldn’t have anything to do with you having a degree from ND would it? Little (nocoast)biased maybe?

    For the record, Manti did not win 12 games. His team did. He hasn’t scored a point all season, and, the last time I checked, you couldn’t win with a score of 0.

    Michigan is an average offense, and Stanford is ranked 71st in scoring. If by explosive you mean not anemic, your description of them is spot on. Florida, LSU, and Alabama are all ranked higher in defense than OU is in offense.

    Lastly, in the three games you listed, 18 of Teo’s 30 tackles are assisted. If you only gave him half credit for making half a tackle, he has around 70 tackles for the season. It’s OK to round up though. I mean, he plays for the great Notre Dame right?

    • patrick December 3, 2012 at 12:05 pm - Reply

      A Andrew, for the record, neither manti or jonny won their games. It was a team effort. A quarterback plays a pivotal roll in an offensive scheme, but without his linemen, receivers and running backs they are not going to get any job done by themselves. And if they can’t pick apart a defense they won’t win any games. Plus people like you need to realize that their are more ways to score on defense than offense. Coin the saying, “Defense Wins Championships.” Without a stout defense you don’t get the ball back. Good luck to both deserving candidates and whatever the outcome will be the outcome. The trophy never defines a person anyway..Oh I am a huge texas football fan myself, but I don’t pretend to be unbiased like a lot of people.

    • ncblisa December 3, 2012 at 1:19 pm - Reply

      Again … You do see I didn’t write this … “Guest post by Jake”

  3. Brett December 3, 2012 at 8:24 am - Reply

    So why is it that if Manti played 12 games against top tier talent that he would have better stats than playing the schedule he played ( which consisted of a lot of inferior talent). Manti isn’t even the best defensive player in college football. The only stat that is impressive is 7 int. and how many of those are from catching a tipped ball rather than actually jumping a route. There are far better defensive players in in NCAA history with far better statistics on good teams that didn’t even get invited to New York. Also, the three teams you listed that A&M played would decimate any team that nd played as well as decimate nd. You will see that come the National Championship when Alabama kicks nd to the curb and back to mediocrity where they deserve to be. Play a better schedule or join a conference, namely a big boy conference and you would see quite a different record from nd.

    • Brian December 3, 2012 at 9:54 am - Reply

      Your argument about SEC teams beating ND may be true – but the comment about strength of schedule is completely uneducated. ND has played and beaten 9 Bowl Eligible football teams this year – compared to Alabama’s 5 and Georgia’s 4. Just because ND’s schedule was not AS tough as predicted doesn’t mean they are not a good football team. Any ND supporter could make the argument that Western Carolina, South Georgia, and Florida Atlantic make Georgia’s and Alabama’s schedule weak.
      ND might lose to Alabama, but that won’t put them back to “mediocrity”. Last I checked losing in the National Championship doesn’t mean a team is mediocre. Yeah this article is biased towards ND, but you take it to the extreme in the other direction.

      • roffles December 3, 2012 at 12:35 pm - Reply

        When you are trying to say playing Navy makes your schedule difficult…

        Well, you’d have to be a ND fan.

        • nublet December 3, 2012 at 7:15 pm - Reply

          playing navy is a hell of a lot more challenging than playing a bunch of fcs teams…*cough texasa&m*

  4. Ya boy December 3, 2012 at 9:49 am - Reply

    you are fucking retard

  5. Mike December 3, 2012 at 9:53 am - Reply

    Notre Dame finished the season beating nine bowl-eligible teams. By comparison, Alabama: five. Georgia: four. Also, It would have been Ten teams if University of Miami did not place a self imposed ban on themselves. Some of you think they need to play a better schedule or join a conference and I think there schedule this year answers that question!!

  6. Sassy December 3, 2012 at 10:21 am - Reply

    Oh, these Aggie fans just have sour grapes because Manti Te’o has more class and integrity in his pinky than Johnny FB has in his body. We also know who really represents the qualities of a Heisman candidate…and it’s not a freshman who had some questionable dealings with the law this summer.

  7. Greg December 3, 2012 at 11:06 am - Reply

    Sassy – if moral aptitude (and I’m not indicating Johnny has any less of this than Te’o) were the rubric for evaluating the Heisman winner, why did Cam Newton win it? Troy Smith? Reggie Bush?

    Yes, Johnny had a fake ID incident at a bar over the summer. Whether or not YOU want to judge the kid, has NOTHING to do with who the BEST players in college football is. Throughout the history of the Heisman they have made that very clear.

    • Tyler December 3, 2012 at 11:49 am - Reply

      Sorry, but Reggie Bush didn’t win a Heisman, precisely because of character issues later revealed #vacated

      • Sassy December 3, 2012 at 12:43 pm - Reply

        Exactly, Tyler, and $Cam is being re investigated by the NCAA. Point to Manti!

    • Sassy December 3, 2012 at 12:42 pm - Reply

      When Johnny proves his worth for ore than one season, I will be a believer. Manti, OTOH, was scheduled to be a first round draft pick as a junior who happened to stay for his senior year. Sophomore jinx anyone?

  8. Gary Franklin December 3, 2012 at 11:11 am - Reply

    I find it amusing that people who support a school with recent incidents of players raping female students (who subsequently committed suicide) and where the school administration/coaching staff turn blind eyes to that sort of conduct would deign to bring up misconduct and the character of Manziel.

    Here in Tuna, Texas what we say to people like that is “glass…….houses.”

    If character and a compelling story was adequate to secure the Heisman, why didn’t Mother Theresa win one? Or Gandhi? Or even the Hello Dolly Llama?

    This problem would have been a moot point had Pitt had someone who could nail a chip shot field goal. I just hope when Manti doesn’t win that he doesn’t do like ol’ Colt McCoy a few years back and make ugly faces for the camera.

    I also find it interesting that the author of this supposedly unbiased article (yeah, right) practices pretty much the ultimate in selective statistics. How did Manziel do in the 9 games conveniently ignored?

    Have a nice day & Best Regards.

    • Sassy December 3, 2012 at 1:12 pm - Reply

      I think you better go back and do your research. However, THAT player is not up for the award, thus you are using a straw man. Let’s get back to the focus of the article…Manti or Johnny.

    • Bill December 3, 2012 at 3:13 pm - Reply

      I didn’t know Ghandi played football…

  9. Man December 3, 2012 at 11:54 am - Reply

    LOL at women writing about football. I hope your sandwich making skills are better than your writing

    • Sassy December 3, 2012 at 1:04 pm - Reply

      I pity your significant other…if any woman would have you with a crack like that. No nice.

    • ncblisa December 3, 2012 at 1:20 pm - Reply

      Reading is fundamental …

      You do see I didn’t write this … “Guest post by Jake”

  10. Dude December 3, 2012 at 12:29 pm - Reply

    What the author is saying is that the moral character of Te’o is demonstrative of a quintessential Heisman winner. And in that aspect he has exceeded Manziel solely based on his record. As far as the talent of Te’o, he is the most outstanding player on the best defense of the best team in the country. He is without a doubt a leader and represents what athletes should strive for. They’re both great players and either one of them is deserving of respect.

  11. Tags December 3, 2012 at 12:31 pm - Reply

    There are a few flaws in this case. Number one (and I am a Michigan Fan), Michigan does not have an explosive offense. They have a QB who couldnt hit water if he fell out of a boat. He traditionally turns the ball over a ton when he faces good defenses. Second, without Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M Sucks….with him they are relevant. Notre Dame would have a great defense regardless of whether or not Manti was there. It is hard to give a Defensive player an award like the Heisman because the defense works more like a unit than the offensive side of the ball does.

  12. Sassy December 3, 2012 at 1:01 pm - Reply

    According to Kirk Herbstreit: “Te’o shapes the defense, the defense shapes the 12-0 team, the 12-0 team shapes the University, the University shapes the Vatican.” Nuff said.

  13. N December 3, 2012 at 1:02 pm - Reply

    the ignorance here is astounding… Character DOES MATTER IN HEISMAN VOTING.

    • Sassy December 3, 2012 at 1:05 pm - Reply

      Thank you N for being the voice of reason.

  14. N December 3, 2012 at 1:06 pm - Reply

    the ignorance here is astounding… Character DOES MATTER IN HEISMAN VOTING. Even if yoru a Notre Dame hater that does not mean that Johnny should automatically win. long story short: A&M have lost two games! they are not playing for a national championship, and ONE SEASON does not a heisman winner make! GARY FRANKLIN:::: your in depth alogations against a namless faceless criminal are in a word, HILARIOUS!!! who suppossedly did this? who turned a blind eye? YOUR A FUCKING IDIOT!!! ever even been to south bend your loser? PEACE OUT AND GO IRISH.

  15. Mark December 3, 2012 at 1:19 pm - Reply

    Wow. Just wow. It’s not a three week season first of all and those defenses Johnny faced were ranked all in the top 8 while the three offenses you singled out that Manti faced were 10th, 80th and 83rd. Wow thats the best offenses he has faced? Color me unimpressed. Manti is a great leader of the best defense, but guess what there is one of those every single year. Johnny is a ttranscendent player breaking 40 year old Archie Manning records and surpassing what Cam Newton and Tim Teboew did in fewer games. Thats rare. And it’s not an undefeated award, Tebow was 9-3 and so was RGIII when he won it. Get clue.

    • ncblisa December 3, 2012 at 5:16 pm - Reply

      You are right, it’s not a three week season, and yet we’re comparing Johnny’s one year, possibly flash in the pan career, to Manti’s four year career. How is that apples to apples? :)

      • mike ryan December 3, 2012 at 9:05 pm - Reply

        Since when is the Heisman a career award. Its all about being the best that year not consistent every year. That is why players like Can Newton win it. And yes Mantis sets the defense, just like Johnny sets the offense. You can have your opinions on why he deserves it but at least make them reasonable. In terms of Johnny’s fake ID, first doesn’t saving a kitten from the road make up for it. And second this award is about on the field not off.

  16. M December 3, 2012 at 1:22 pm - Reply

    It’s unfair, but it takes a lot more for defensive players or non QB/RB positions to win the Heisman. That Johnny Manziel set records is important – Te’o is not some record breaking player. Sure he had consecutive 100 tackle seasons at Notre Dame, but to compare Te’O to Manziel would require him to have a record breaking season.

    The only reason Te’o is going in the top 5 or 10 of this year’s nfl draft is because it is so thin at the top ranks. Luke Kuechly had a truly record setting year with 191 tackles, and actually had three years where he finished with over 150 tackles each. That means over the course of his 3 years, he had more tackles than Te’o had in four. Did Kuechly win the Heisman? No. Heisman voting does not occur in a vacuum: voters are influenced by past events, players, and records. That there were outstanding linebackers who were better than Te’o to not win the Heisman means he doesn’t deserve or get it. On the other hand, Manziel has set records and destroyed Cam Newton and Tebow’s records (two players who did win the Heisman).

  17. Tags December 3, 2012 at 1:28 pm - Reply

    If character mattered in the Heisman selection then why did Bush and Newton win it…Cam was under suspicion when he won it…and I get that they are under investigation now but Bush got his taken away and guess what…they didn’t give it to the second place guy…even if he had great moral character…no one gives a shit about moral character…if Manti got caught with a fake ID it wouldn’t be an issue in South Bend…but since its someone else its a huge deal…the fact that ND fans are using that as an argument on why Manziel shouldn’t win the Heisman is the perfect example on why Manti isn’t the most deserving Heisman candidate. And if it has to do with record and beating everyone (regardless of how ugly the wins are) then why aren’t we talking about Braxton Miller?

  18. David Schkade December 3, 2012 at 3:00 pm - Reply

    First of all, touchdowns scored by the quarterback do not accurately reflect how good or bad an offense is. Total yardage is a much more accurate measure. Against Alabama, Florida, and LSU, Texas A&M (led by Manziel) gained more than 335 yds above the average yards that those defenses allowed for the year. For Florida, A&M had 334 yards versus 283 yards/gm allowed, for LSU A&M had 410 yards versus 298 yards allowed, and for Alabama, A&M had 418 yards versus 246 yards allowed. So for these games, A&M gained an extra 51, 112, and 172 yards versus three of the top defenses in the country. For the year, A&M has gained an average of 190 yards per game (a total of 1903)over the average yards allowed by the defenses of the ten FBS universities that they played against. In no game this year did A&M gain less than 51 yards (their first game versus Florida) above the average yardage allowed by each team’s defense. That is a measure of consistency.
    To put these numbers into context, Kansas State (led by Klein), averaged 22 yards LESS per game than the average yardage allowed by the defenses of the teams they played. You can conclude that KSU had a below average offense in the BIG 12 conference.
    For another comparison, NIU (led by Jordan Lynch) averaged 54 yards MORE per game than the average yardage allowed by the defenses of the teams they played.

  19. ken mel December 4, 2012 at 6:50 am - Reply

    Johnny will be the winner,cut and dried,you’ll see.Cut down who you want but Johnny will be victorious.GO JOHNNY GO>TAMU all the way.

  20. J. Russell December 4, 2012 at 8:39 am - Reply

    Manti, is a great player, but he is ranked 59th in total tackles. 63 behind the leader. He is not even in the top 100 in tackles for loss. I decided to compare Dat Nguyen’s 1998 stats for Manti Te’o's 2012 stats . Dat’s number is on the left, Te’o's is on the right . Dat’s numbers speak for themselves…..and he wasn’t in the top 10 in Heisman voting !

    tackles ( 147….. 102 )
    tackes for loss ( 20….. 5 1/2 )
    sacks ( 4….. 1 1/2 )
    forced fumbles ( 4…..0 )
    interceptions ( 2…..7 )
    passes defended ( 2…..10 )
    fumble recoveries ( 2…..1 )

    You be the judge

    • B. Harding December 4, 2012 at 8:51 am - Reply

      2 Fumble Recovers for Manti, fyi.

      Oh, and why was Suh, Suggs, Nguyen, Mathieu snubbed from winning the Heisman? Could it be that they didn’t have the, dare I say, INTEGRITY aspect of it? That’s odd……

  21. B. Harding December 4, 2012 at 8:47 am - Reply

    The thing that most of you are forgetting is this one important piece of the Heisman Mission Statement: excellence and integrity on and off the field.

    Yes, Manti’s stats are great. No, they don’t compare to the all-time greats who have been snubbed before. But, you add in what he has done to lift this program out of mediocrity, then he completely embodies what the Heisman SHOULD be about. It was NEVER intended to be just about stats, like some of you think.

    In years past, they’ve gone away from that. It’s time to get back to what it truly means.

    Afterall, if they give it to Manti, he won’t have to give it back in 5 years. ;)

  22. don December 4, 2012 at 11:01 am - Reply

    This Johnny guy is really good. One year is a flash in the pan. The Heisman trophy is not given to the flavor of the month. Colin Klein is a proven player and leader on and off the field and the only one of the three who deserve it. If Johnny is good next year he will get his chance. He needs to put in his dues.

  23. David Schkade December 4, 2012 at 12:20 pm - Reply

    Notre Dame’s defense played only one team that had an offense ranked in the top 25 (No. 10 Oklahoma). If you don’t play any good offenses, your defense will look a lot better than it really is.

    • B. Harding December 4, 2012 at 12:52 pm - Reply

      Kind of like Alabama’s “heralded” defense that would “kill NFL teams”? They’ve actually played worse ranked offenses, according to average points scored, than Notre Dame, and no one is questioning them. Get real.

      Notre Dame played Denard Robinson, Leveon Bell, Landry Jones, Stepfan Taylor, Matt Barkley, and Marquise Lee….all of which were, or are currently, in the Heisman race. Any other defense do that? Manti was a big part of holding them to aboslutely nothing against ND.

  24. Randall K. December 4, 2012 at 12:55 pm - Reply

    Gotta be the most biased article I’ve seen written. Te’o is a VERY good player no doubt, but how much of a contribution did he make as a Freshman? If he wins I think he’d be deserving, but to dismiss Manziel is very unjust, and you’re 12 game projection was ridiculous. Good luck in the title game, amigo…You’re gonna need it!

  25. Ed R. December 4, 2012 at 2:07 pm - Reply

    I don’t think the author was dismissing Manziel at all. In fact, he mentioned a couple times how impressive his stats were. The whole idea behind this article is to show that Manziel was horrible against good competition. And that Manti raised his level of game against his best competition. Well written. Good article!

    • Ed R. December 4, 2012 at 2:43 pm - Reply

      Actually, I just looked up his stats:

      Against Louisianna Tech, Southern Methodist, Auburn, Arkansas, Missouri, South Carolina State, and Sam Houston St he had 36 TDs and 3 INTs

      Against Florida, Ole Miss, Alabama, LSU, and Mississippi St, he had 7 TDs and 5 INTs

    • ncblisa December 4, 2012 at 5:19 pm - Reply

      Thank you for reading & for your comments!

  26. flyushka December 6, 2012 at 9:52 am - Reply

    “In most years, the Heisman trophy has been given to the best player on the best team. So, why is that suddenly any different this year? Is it because Notre Dame doesn’t have an elite offensive player? Why would Johnny Football suddenly ascend to the top of the polls as the leader of a 2-loss team, when Collin Klein’s team, whose resume is just as impressive, only has one?”

    You do realize that last year the Heisman was awarded to Robert Griffin III, of Baylor? Was Baylor the best team last year?

    • pj December 6, 2012 at 12:30 pm - Reply

      You do realize that the author did say “in most years” right? Boy, if only people could read!

      • flyushka December 6, 2012 at 3:07 pm - Reply

        Sure he said “in most years”, followed by “why is that suddenly any different this year?” Surprise, it’s not any different. Although actually, RGIII winning was a much greater deviation from the standard of best player on best team than Manziel would be. RGIII faced much stiffer competition from the top ranked teams and deservedly won. A&M finished the season as a top 10 team who could very well beat anyone in the nation, so Manziel winning would hardly be some kind of anomaly. But thanks for playing; I read just fine, thanks!

        • pj December 6, 2012 at 7:59 pm - Reply

          Yeah, A&M could very well beat anyone in the nation……except, of course, LSU and Florida. That’s odd………thanks for playing.

          • flyushka December 7, 2012 at 10:39 am - Reply

            Ah yes, sorry to have written something that involves using rational thought to understand. Texas A&M *finished* the season as a top team with the ability to beat any team. Or are you unfamiliar with the concept of athletes improving as the season goes on? Particularly with a rookie quarterback and new coach? As it was, Florida/LSU barely beat them. Those are good teams and if they played each other 10 times you’d get a mixture of results. But let’s see what A&M gets done vs. ol’ Chokie.

            • pj December 7, 2012 at 11:11 am - Reply

              Ah yes, the age old “what if” game. Gotta love it. Fact is, they lost. Fact is, they didn’t beat LSU or Florida when it mattered. You can sit here all day and say that any given team could beat any given team on any given Saturday. That’s not really that hard to do……

              • flyushka December 8, 2012 at 11:35 am - Reply

                Dude, enough with the semantics game. I don’t even like A&M. I don’t care who wins the beauty pageant Heisman or who A&M beats. But if you can’t see that guy’s talent, then I feel sorry for you.

  27. pj December 6, 2012 at 1:49 pm - Reply

    Yeah, 100 tackles is good, not great. Yeah, he had 7 interceptions. But guess what, you put the two together, and he becomes the 1st player EVER to record both in one season…so yes, Manti Te’o DOES break records! This is not an offensive-only award. Give it to the man who embodies every aspect of the award!

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